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	<title>Comments on: Lessig @ Edinburgh Science Festival</title>
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		<title>By: Anthony Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.nobugs.org/blog/archives/2005/04/03/lessig-edinburgh-science-festival/#comment-2849</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 00:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alisdair, I do apologise. I thought I'd mailed you about it, but the message was composed offline and it is still sitting in a hidden outbox folder. (Along with a couple others I drafted over a &lt;em&gt;month&lt;/em&gt; ago. Bad mail client!)

Andrew, apart from the obvious recommendation to read &lt;a href="http://www.free-culture.cc/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Free Culture&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (in almost any format &lt;a href="http://www.free-culture.cc/remixes/"&gt;imaginable&lt;/a&gt;), I think &lt;a href="http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail349.html"&gt;this Lessig presentation&lt;/a&gt; is a much better one. I was glad of the "culture is remix" slant of the Edinburgh talk because I hadn't heard him do it before, but the other talk has better grounding, better developed arguments, and a very good Q+A at the end.

I am not worried that the copyright cartels might use the opt-out licenses as an excuse not to change their own policies. I &lt;a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/anthonybailey/22306.html"&gt;care more about&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/tail.html"&gt;the Long Tail&lt;/a&gt;, "the 80% of stuff that didn't used to be worth selling "the 80% of stuff that didn't used to be worth selling". Meanwhile it isn't as if Lessig isn't fighting hard for various &lt;a href="http://eldred.cc/"&gt;very moderate yet highly desirable copyright reforms&lt;/a&gt;.

With respect to localizing the GPL, I believe the explanation is that rmsINAL, but of cours IANAL either. But the existing text is plain English with a well-established global interpretation, and a less direct relationship with the details of copyright that do have a more jurisdiction-dependent status. And I think you can always assign copyright to the FSF after the fact if there's ever a need to bring a case to trial (clearly not an option for many of the CC licenses.)

The thing I learnt that surprised me the most was our &lt;a href="http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_5.htm#mdiv80"&gt;ridiculous 
legislation regarding so-called "derogatory treatments" of work&lt;/a&gt;. I would like an option to assign that right away in the &lt;a href="http://creativecommons.org/worldwide/scotland/"&gt;Scottish port of CC&lt;/a&gt;, thanks very much! Who wants to build on a work when the creator has the right to claim you've hurt their feelings and so can take their ball away again at any time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alisdair, I do apologise. I thought I&#8217;d mailed you about it, but the message was composed offline and it is still sitting in a hidden outbox folder. (Along with a couple others I drafted over a <em>month</em> ago. Bad mail client!)</p>
<p>Andrew, apart from the obvious recommendation to read <a href="http://www.free-culture.cc/"><em>Free Culture</em></a> (in almost any format <a href="http://www.free-culture.cc/remixes/">imaginable</a>), I think <a href="http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail349.html">this Lessig presentation</a> is a much better one. I was glad of the &#8220;culture is remix&#8221; slant of the Edinburgh talk because I hadn&#8217;t heard him do it before, but the other talk has better grounding, better developed arguments, and a very good Q+A at the end.</p>
<p>I am not worried that the copyright cartels might use the opt-out licenses as an excuse not to change their own policies. I <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/anthonybailey/22306.html">care more about</a>, <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/tail.html">the Long Tail</a>, &#8220;the 80% of stuff that didn&#8217;t used to be worth selling &#8220;the 80% of stuff that didn&#8217;t used to be worth selling&#8221;. Meanwhile it isn&#8217;t as if Lessig isn&#8217;t fighting hard for various <a href="http://eldred.cc/">very moderate yet highly desirable copyright reforms</a>.</p>
<p>With respect to localizing the GPL, I believe the explanation is that rmsINAL, but of cours IANAL either. But the existing text is plain English with a well-established global interpretation, and a less direct relationship with the details of copyright that do have a more jurisdiction-dependent status. And I think you can always assign copyright to the FSF after the fact if there&#8217;s ever a need to bring a case to trial (clearly not an option for many of the CC licenses.)</p>
<p>The thing I learnt that surprised me the most was our <a href="http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_5.htm#mdiv80">ridiculous<br />
legislation regarding so-called &#8220;derogatory treatments&#8221; of work</a>. I would like an option to assign that right away in the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/worldwide/scotland/">Scottish port of CC</a>, thanks very much! Who wants to build on a work when the creator has the right to claim you&#8217;ve hurt their feelings and so can take their ball away again at any time?</p>
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		<title>By: Alisdair</title>
		<link>http://www.nobugs.org/blog/archives/2005/04/03/lessig-edinburgh-science-festival/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Alisdair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 07:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure your analogy is valid -- "LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SHARE" and "WHERE DID ALL OUR FREEDOM GO" are (as you correctly identify) qualitatively distinct points, whereas devolution is arguably somewhere on a continuous spectrum between 'no regional governance' and 'independent state'.

I still think that Bill Thompson's concern (as quoted by you, haven't read the linked article) is valid, but not as strongly as stated. From my other readings of Lessig I think what he's getting at is a change of culture, as well as a change of law (or prevention of new laws, depending). In this light his intertwining of the themes makes a lot more sense.

"LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SHARE" and "WHERE DID ALL OUR FREEDOM GO" have a common foundation in a culture of information sharing. It seems to me that "WHERE DID ALL OUR FREEDOM GO" represents the loss of an old culture of information sharing -- one where the law was set up to protect creators, but contained an acknowledgement that there is an intellectual commons. "LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SHARE" represents a new culture of information sharing -- in the light of increasing attempts (through law and technology) to control created content, people can choose (as Lessig states) something between absolute control and the public domain.

And, I wish I'd known that the talk was happening ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure your analogy is valid &#8212; &#8220;LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SHARE&#8221; and &#8220;WHERE DID ALL OUR FREEDOM GO&#8221; are (as you correctly identify) qualitatively distinct points, whereas devolution is arguably somewhere on a continuous spectrum between &#8216;no regional governance&#8217; and &#8216;independent state&#8217;.</p>
<p>I still think that Bill Thompson&#8217;s concern (as quoted by you, haven&#8217;t read the linked article) is valid, but not as strongly as stated. From my other readings of Lessig I think what he&#8217;s getting at is a change of culture, as well as a change of law (or prevention of new laws, depending). In this light his intertwining of the themes makes a lot more sense.</p>
<p>&#8220;LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SHARE&#8221; and &#8220;WHERE DID ALL OUR FREEDOM GO&#8221; have a common foundation in a culture of information sharing. It seems to me that &#8220;WHERE DID ALL OUR FREEDOM GO&#8221; represents the loss of an old culture of information sharing &#8212; one where the law was set up to protect creators, but contained an acknowledgement that there is an intellectual commons. &#8220;LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SHARE&#8221; represents a new culture of information sharing &#8212; in the light of increasing attempts (through law and technology) to control created content, people can choose (as Lessig states) something between absolute control and the public domain.</p>
<p>And, I wish I&#8217;d known that the talk was happening &#8230;.</p>
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